| From: | LAURIE ALLEN (laurieallen55@msn.com) |
| Sent: | Fri 5/13/11 9:48 AM |
| To: | wmarshall@cityofbelfast.org |
I would like to get the history and explanations of the neighborhood drainage. I can come in for a meeting if you would prefer. I am wondering how the creek got there in the first place. It is man made to a degree- boulders were cleared to the allow for flow, I can see that. If the City does not have any claim to the property or maintenance, who trenched it?
To try and shore up the sides is proving to be impossible for me. At 50, I am amazed that I was able to get that many boulders in place. I'm thinking that I probably shoud have placed sand bags first and then the boulders but how would I get the sand bags there? This is way over my capabilities and knowledge. Every day I panic more that I could end up homeless like the flood victims in the south. This house is all I have and I have put on a new roof, insulated the attic, the fence, a new front door, on demand water...all major improvements and as of 2/1/11, unemployed.
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I'll cut to the chase here. You can read below the refusal of City Planner, Wayne Marshall to answer my questions in writing. Suffice to say- ditto BS and tons of beliefs, opinions, aggravating smokescreens, answering with everything but the truth, never answering. This is his response to specific questions at the end of this page. The meeting was a sham, unorganized- residents took off from work and got hospice care, they never answered any questions. Bob and Wayne stood there with arms crossed and said no assistance/repairs would be coming to Seaview Terrace. Chris Cabot from DEP was useless- he knew the DEP approved runoff from sites into the watershed and never revealed it. I'll list another page with his corruption.
| From: | Wayne Marshall (planner@cityofbelfast.org) This sender is in your contact list. |
| Sent: | Wed 6/29/11 11:54 AM |
| To: | LAURIE ALLEN (laurieallen55@msn.com) |
| Cc: | Bob Richards (publicworks@cityofbelfast.org); Marina Delune (mpercival@midmaine.com) |
I am disappointed and somewhat confused that you appear to have rejected our invitation for City staff, the Public Works Director and myself, to meet with you and other residents of SeaView Terrace on-site so we can see first-hand what your concerns are regarding stormwater in the SeaView Terrace area. I continue to believe that the best way to examine an issue is for the parties to meet on-site and to discuss the concerns. I note that your June 7th email to me was entitled 'Resident Meeting Request', and in your letter you appeared to request that we meet with you and other residents. We are open to doing such. As such, I ask that you reconsider and that we schedule a site visit at a time that is convenient for you and other residents of SeaView Terrace.
Further, absent a site visit, neither the Public Works Director or I will be responding to the concerns raised in your email of 6/7/11 in writing.
With respect to the DEP, Chris Cabot has not responded to any of the 3 calls I have placed to him, nor has he responded to the 2 telephone calls that Tod Rosenberg, City Code Enforcement Officer has placed to him. Perhaps you may want to contact him directly to determine how he intends to respond to the concern you raised to him. As I have noted to you in past emails, I suggested a joint site visit with City and the DEP with you so everyone is looking at the same concern at the same time.
I also have sent a copy of this email to Councilor DeLune because she requested the opportunity to be present at the site visit if one is scheduled.
Wayne's response below. Off to the races with lie after lie. Natural stream-lie, City has not added to stream-lie, Flood Zone Map he showed me- lie(the map he showed me showed all paths coming into Seaview Terrace, mother nature-lie, the City does not do work on private property-lie
From: laurieallen55@msn.com
To: planner@cityofbelfast.org
Subject: RE: 17 Seaview Terrace
Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 08:30:00 -0400
Thank you Mr. Marshall. I would appreciate a copy of the map. The fact that the City can and has channeled water to our neighborhood and is not accountable for the damage to the taxpayers property is wrong. Culverts are placed on City property to protect against erosion. I am stressing the fact that this erosion is beyond an occasional event but imminent destruction and rapid loss of my property at the control of the City. The point of this being a 100 year floodplain because this tells me that the City should have taken extra precaution to divert water from this area, to City property for control and funding. However, it seems to be intentionally routed it to the residents.
I am purchasing the flood insurance but that will not protect me against the damages and dangers of the severe erosion. The pictures do not do justice to the dangers and the severity. Please come and visit before the steam rises. I dropped my land line yesterday and can be reached via email or cell 323-5883.
Thanks again for your professional and respectful assistance.
Sincerely,
Laurie Allen
Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 14:53:44 -0400
Subject: Re: Elevation Certificate
From: planner@cityofbelfast.org
To: laurieallen55@msn.com
Dear Ms. Allen
An elevation certificate is unique for each property. The only way to obtain an elevation certificate is to hire a licensed survey firm to identify the elevation of your house in relation to the flood elevation. The surveyor prepares the actual elevation certificate and this can be submitted to the insurance carrier. If you choose to hire a survey firm to prepare an elevation certificate our office can provide you a list of local survey firms that have performed this work.
In reading your email and your request for an elevation certificate I am assuming that you do not now have flood insurance. If so, an elevation certificate could be helpful in making a decision to purchase or not purchase flood insurance. In short, what is the likelihood of your house being flooded as opposed to your back yard.
I have attached a pdf version of a flood map specific to the Sea View Terrace area. This map is taken from the federal flood insurance maps and is known as a firmette. The insurance carrier you are working with can do the same, but you may want to provide them this information.
I also have attached the overall City flood map that generally identifies the location of the flood zone. This is the map that I showed to you in City Hall. The scale of this map is not very useful for doing discrete measurements, and its main value is to help illustrate areas that likely are in the flood zone. This also is a pdf map so you can zoom in on the are near Seaview Terrace.
In reading your email I understand that you are very concerned by the flooding that is occurring near your property. I do want to note the following:
- First, the area located to the rear of your house is a natural stream and there is a floodplain associated with that stream. This stream is identified on federal maps (U.S.G.S. quad maps). The stream is a natural path for water to flow; it is not a man-made drainage area.
- Secondly, the City has not made any changes to the stream located to the rear of your house. As I noted in my email to you last week, the City has no authority to perform work on private property.
- Continuing, it appears that Maine is about 5+ years into a long-term trend that is resulting in Maine experiencing much greater volumes/levels of rain than in the past. I can't immediately put my fingers on a table that illustrates rain volumes, but I know that rainfall levels have increased from about 45 inches per year to about 60 inches per year. This increased rainfall is wreaking havoc on many areas in Maine and in Belfast. Areas that didn't experience flooding in the past are now experiencing flooding, areas that formerly experienced flooding are now seeing flooding more frequently or greater volumes of water, fields that typically dried out in the summer now taking longer to dry out and similar concerns. In short, more rainfall, particularly in the spring and in the fall, is causing problems that exceed past events.
- With respect to my own property, I note that I now regularly have water running through my yard in an area in which I rarely saw water 10 years ago, and that the amount of rainfall and accompanying stormwater is adversely affecting my septic system.
Lastly, the Planning Board will be conducting a site visit of the Hospital proposal on Wednesday, May 25th, beginning at 6:00 p.m. at the Hospital property. You are welcome to attend this site visit and to observe. The Board, however, does not accept public comment at the site visit. Public comment must be presented at the Board meeting or via email or in writing as you have done so to date.
1 at 9:15 AM, LAURIE ALLEN <laurieallen55@msn.com> wrote:
Dear Mr. Marshall,
Last week we met and I gave you a letter and pictures to advise of my concerns for the construction of the WCGH office building. I cannot attend the meeting and am sending this email to confirm that all members will receive and review my letter and pictures.
In addition, I am requesting direction as to the next step I need to take in regards to severe erosion from all the runoff that is diverted onto Seaview Terrace. Please send me a copy of the map showing all the paths that we looked at when I came to your office last week.
In 2005, a top of the line, sump pump system was installed at my home from TC Hafford Basement, costing 6k. I understand that most of the residents on Seaview Terrace have water in their basements and flooding. My neighbor across the street, at 18 Seaview Terrace used the same company this winter to install the system at over double the price.
Flood insurance will cost me an additional 2k per year and covers the home only (2 lots must be flooded before consideration).
The severe erosion on both sides of the drainage ditch in less than 1 year is beyond alarming. The pictures confirm need for immediate resolution. Large trees will fall, my property will continue to diminish, my new fence will be destroyed within a year at the current rate of erosion.
I am a single mom, low income, recently unemployed and cannot accept this situation. I have been watching the meetings and all of the concern for saving a tree from the travel of turbine blades. The resident was not present at the meeting, but everyone was going to bat for this resident's tree (I am not even sure if this tree is on the resident's property.)
I spoke with Puzz Caswell, (the original family that owned this property) and she cannot believe the recent amount of erosion that has swallowed our properties (her in-law, Karen owns the adjacent lot).
The City of Belfast has channeled an enormous amount of runoff to Seaview Terrace and the lack of culverts is costing the residents of Seaview Terrace thousands of dollars, continuous flooding, loss of land at a rapid rate and will continue until the City corrects the problem.
Per our conversation, the City will not correct the problem and to make matters worse, is the construction of the office building creating even more runoff and taking my property with it which will cause unstoppable catastrophe. This is not acceptable. Please advise what is my next step that must be swift.
Sincerely,
Laurie Allen
Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 10:07:25 -0400
Subject: Re: 17 Seaview Terrace
From: planner@cityofbelfast.org
To: laurieallen55@msn.com
Dear Ms. Allen
The letter you dropped off last week that we discussed has been delivered to all Planning Board members and it will be entered into the record at tonight's public hearing. I also will ensure that the Board receives this email that you sent to me today. The Board will discuss stormwater concerns associated with this project.
I also note that we have revised the agenda for tonight and that the Hospital likely will be heard much earlier than originally anticipated. The Shipyard project will not be heard tonight which results in the Hospital moving up on the agenda. I would guess that the Hospital discussion will now start between 7:20 and 7:45 p.m.
I also appreciate the information you have presented regarding erosion and flooding that affects your property. When I spoke with you at City Hall last week and I identified the flood zone maps for this area I wanted to ensure that you were aware that this area is an active floodplain, and as such flooding and accompanying erosion are events that may occur from time to time. The identified flood zone reflects the 100 year floodplain. As such, this means that water and flooding will not always be present, but that flooding will occur from time to time. I also wanted to point out that the stream located to the rear of your house is part of a much larger floodplain and drainage area, and that stormwater that accumulates through-out the area from the Route 1 by-pass through City Park has an impact on flooding that occurs to the rear of your house.
I also note that the City does not own the property, have an easement on the property, or manage the stream and floodplain located to the rear of your house or throughout most of the area that is in the active flood plain from the Route 1 by-pass through City Park. Our main points of control are when this floodplain and stream crosses over a City street, such as at Congress Street, Wight Street and then again at Northport Avenue. As such, the City does not have the authority to enter privately owned property or to expend public funds on privately owned property to try and address flooding concerns that are occurring on privately owned property.
I do, however, hear and understand your concern. I also will discuss your concerns with other City officials to discuss your concerns. It may take me two weeks or so to get back to you, but I will be contacting you in the near future regarding stormwater concerns in this area.
Thank you for contacting me. If you would like to present other information for me (the City) to consider, please feel free to contact me.
From: laurieallen55@msn.com
To: planner@cityofbelfast.org; laurieallen55@msn.com
Subject: RE: Elevation Certificate
Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 09:53:07 -0400
Dear Mr. Marshall,
Elevation Certificate- Thank you for the information, I won't waste the money on that- I want the flood insurance.
What is my next step to make the City accountable for channeling all this drainage into the private property on Seaview Terrace? I would have thought the City would have put sewers in for storm drain that would be under the road of Seaview Terrace allowing for drainage of all residents. It seems that a shortcut was taken at the expense of the residents. I am hearing that all the neighbors have been ignored and they are ready for the next step.
| From: | LAURIE ALLEN (laurieallen55@msn.com) |
| Sent: | Fri 5/20/11 8:04 AM |
| To: | wmarshall@cityofbelfast.org |
I am following up on the next step for the diversion of City storm water to my backyard. We began discussing this in the beginning of May and you advised me that it would be approx. 2 weeks before your scheduling would allow for review. We are at that mark and I want to be sure that I am adhering to protocol and am requesting that you advise me of any hearings or paperwork that I must attend to.
I want to avoid another tail chasing event and hope we can deal with this honestly. The culvert that the City installed at the end of Seaview/Rte 1, diverting the storm water to private property is issue for immediate action to close and channel to City property away from the floodplain of Seaview Terrace. Compensation for property loss, labor and associated costs are requested.
| Wayne Marshall (planner@cityofbelfast.org) | |
| Sent: | Fri 5/27/11 4:34 PM |
| To: | LAURIE ALLEN (laurieallen55@msn.com) |
I wanted to ensure that I spoke with Bob Richards, Superintendent, Belfast Public Works Department, before I responded to your email regarding the concerns you expressed regarding stormwater management on SeaView Terrace. I also want to address what I believe may be a misconception on your part regarding who constructed SeaView Terrace and the accompanying stormwater system.
As background, the subdivision plan of the Wendell MaCleod Housing Development (SeaView Terrace) was approved in 1966. This plan is recorded in the Waldo County Registry of Deeds, Book 6, Page 23. Like many subdivision plans prepared in the 1960's it mostly identifies the location and dimensions of the lots in the subdivision,and the location of the new access road and accompanying right-of-way (SeaView Terrace). The recorded plan for this subdivision also identifies two other features; the natural contours for the property, and the layout of the houses proposed to be constructed on lots 1,2 and 3. Unlike subdivision plans that the City now requires a developer to prepare, it does not include information such as but not limited to: areas within the flood zone, areas that qualify as wetlands, stormwater management systems that will be constructed, the location and depth of water lines and sewer lines, and the location of power poles. The 1966 Plan, and a subsequent 1978 amendment, are the only two documents of record on file in the Registry.
As is the case in all subdivisions, the developer/owner of the subdivision is responsible for constructing all road, water, sewer, power, drainage/stormwater and similar improvements. This occurred with SeaView Terrace as Wendell MacLoed built the original road and stormwater improvements. It appears that the stormwater improvements on SeaView Terrace largely consist of 3 small culverts under SeaView Terrace, a larger culvert near Route 1 and a drainage swale that is located between the house and garage located on your property. I also specifically note that City, through a vote of the Belfast City Council, will not take ownership of a new road (and the accompanying road right-of-way) as a public road until the original owner constructs all road and drainage improvements.
In short, the road and stormwater improvements that exist in the SeaView Terrace Subdivision were constructed by the original property owner, and the location of such were determined and constructed by the original property owner. The City, by accepting the road, assumed the long-term responsibility to maintain such improvements (they are now a City responsibility as publicly owned improvements and land). As such, the Department of Public Works periodically performs maintenance; for example replacing culverts, digging out drainage ditches/swales and resurfacing the road. All City work has involved maintenance. The City has not taken any action to re-route stormwater or to construct new drainage improvements.
I recognize and understand that you are concerned about how stormwater is affecting your property. The City, however, believes that it has not taken any action to alter the stormwater management system constructed by the original property owner, and we believe that we are not responsible for any damage (from stormwater) on your property.
I also will note that if you believe the opinion I have stated may be wrong, you do have the right to prepare a claim for property damage and to submit this claim to our insurance carrier. Our insurance carrier can make a decision regarding your claim and any City liability. If you would like to submit a claim I can obtain and provide you information regarding how to file such.
On behalf of the Department of Code and Planning.
From: laurieallen55@msn.com
To: wmarshall@cityofbelfast.org; laurieallen55@msn.com; charlesbeck7@gmail.com; llorenzen@gmail.com
Subject: Storm Water Meeting
Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 12:22:42 -0400
6/7/11
RE: Seaview Terrace/Storm Water Diversion
Dear Mr. Marshall,
I have been waiting for your response for accountability of culvert installations and storm water diversion. In the interim (which has been weeks- pertinent emails began on 5/11/11) this is what I have been advised by residents so far;
1. Sump pump assistance to lot’s 13 and 14? I see 2 sump pump drains at the culvert. I have been advised that lot 13 received City assistance in placement of this drain to divert water from their property into mine. It seems this is the case for the other drain I see that is probably coming from lot 14.
As stated in my email from 5/12, City assistance was not given to all residents with flooding in their homes. I am aware of at least 3 residents who spent thousands and thousands of dollars with sump pump drainage. Additional individual resident cost and labor time spent on flooding issues unknown but surely extensive.
2. City approval and possible assistance in culvert and ditch digging diversion to my property.
A. City placed culvert at lot 12 crossing Seaview to drain to my property.
B. City placed culvert at end of resident property lines crossing under Northport Ave.
C. City approved and possible assistance of 2 culverts on lot 8 crossing Seaview unto
Lots 9&7. Use of heavy equipment, backhoe, possibly City owned within past 2
years. Also used to deepen drainage ditches routed to my property.
D. City approved and possible assistance of 1 culvert from lot 4 crossing Seaview and
draining to my property. Dug out ditches are also present on both sides of my
Property. I have been advised that this culvert was placed prior to purchase of lot
4 by the current owner.
3. City approval for the hospital annex to drain and divert storm water into stream.
Current approval for additional storm water drainage due to addition of annex is
pending. Concerns for wetlands in area.
4. Lot 12 has advised of flooding from the culvert at lot 12. Property flooded and
damaged with no compensation from the City.
5. Lot 5 has advised of severe flooding of stream that flowed across lot 5 and into lot 8.
Flooding into basements and property damage.
6. During the construction of the Captain Albert Stevens School, a resident, (Mr. Sanderson?) fought against storm drain towards his property and the City approved diversion to my stream.
7. The Rte 1 bypass has had several changes in the diversion of storm water.
8. I witnessed flooding in the basement of lot 6 in 1/2010. The realtor informed me that it always has water.
9. Flooding in basement of lot 4, severe damages. Resident installation of extensive and expensive drainage system.
10.Severe ongoing erosion and damages from City diverted storm water to my property.
11. The road of Seaview Terrace was constructed by the City.
It is glaringly obvious that there is more than a can of worms here that is opening. I have contacted the DEP. Additionally, I am questioning the precedence set with City assistance to some residents and refusal to others.
In light of the information that I am receiving and lack of information from the City, I am requesting a fact finding open forum/meeting with the City and residents of Seaview Terrace addressing these issues and pertaining issues that are privy to the City and probably unknown to the residents. One month has already passed and I respectfully request immediate action and attention. Please advise.
Sincerely,
Laurie Allen
| rom: | LAURIE ALLEN (laurieallen55@msn.com) |
| Sent: | Fri 6/24/11 10:05 AM |
| To: | wmarshall@cityofbelfast.org |
Per the letter I sent dated 6/7/11, please address in writing how #'s 1,2,3,6, and 11 are not City involvement in diverting City Storm water to my backyard. Are you telling me that all these drainage diversions were placed here illegally, unknown to the City, City Planner, no permits, someone just decided to go and dig up the road, put in culverts, drain pipes, etc.?
You also advised me that the City did not put the road in or the culverts, yet I have information it was the City. To substantiate recent City involvement, within the past 2 years, further drainage was put in at The Hands residence, requiring digging of the road to put in those 2 culverts and deeping of ditch leading to my backyard.
Most of the residents on Seaview Terrace witnessed all the heavy equipment and digging.
I reiterate- please address #1,2,3,6, and 11 stating how approved and who did the work. I am requesting response in factual writing. Receipt of these answers are requested by Tuesday, 6/29/11. This is reasonable considering my letter was sent to you over 3 weeks ago without specific response to specific issues I listed. My first meeting with you regarding the stormwater was on 5/5/2011.
Sincerely,
| From: | LAURIE ALLEN (laurieallen55@msn.com) |
| Sent: | Mon 6/27/11 2:30 PM |
| To: | wmarshall@cityofbelfast.org; ward1councilor@cityofbelfast.org |
I received you email that is ignoring this request. This is what I want answers to, a meeting would not accomplish anything without the DEP and answers to these questions. I will foward your email to Ms. Delune to keep things clear. As stated, please answer by 6/29.
Sincerely,
Laurie Allen
| From: | LAURIE ALLEN (laurieallen55@msn.com) |
| Sent: | Wed 6/29/11 8:25 AM |
| To: | mayor@cityofbelfast.org; LAURIE ALLEN (laurieallen55@msn.com) |
My name is Laurie Allen, resident in the floodplains at 17 Seaview Terrace. After an enormous amount of my property was swept away this winter due to city storm water diverted to my back yard, I met with Mr. Marshall during the first week of May. The communications from Mr. Marshall have been that the City has not diverted any storm water. In my letter to Mr. Marshall dated 6/7/11, I have pointed out visible and diversions and have asked for explanations and have not received any answers. Mr. Marshall also showed me a City map in the office where 6 channels are diverted to my backyard.
Mr. Hogan has given history of the WCGH in 1989 or 1990 where that property was the drainaige for the floodplain. At the time the DEP approved changes due to construction for floodplain drainage that is connected to my problem. The DEP is involved with the RTE 1 bypass that is connected to my problem.
There is no question that the City needs to be accountable and do the right thing. I have watch meeting after meeting, and to mention a few upsetting points of many, where thousands were spent on rocks that should have been used to address City storm water, where Mr. Slocum was so generous in refusing DUBBA's offer to pay for relocation of moorings, where hours and hours were spent to save a tree, where Mr. Hurley stated that floodplain residents need help in getting their homes up or out of floodplains, where Mr. Marshall contributed saying gravely that people die in flooding... Mr. Marshall's advice to me was to get flood insurance and reiteration that the City is not taking responsibility.
I am a single, 50 year old mom, unemployed this year due to scoliosis and arthritis, and I've spent over 80 hours, single handed in the creek, rolling boulders with crow bar and shovel, trying to stop my newly installed, $8k fence from falling into the creek. In one supporting corner, 4 feet of property were swept away in the torrents.
All along the creek, trees are dangling, roots are exposed, all the soil washed out from underneath, it is a disaster. I have shoved boulders under the trees, as far into the erosion as I can but it is hardly a band aid. In May, I had given Mr. Marshall pictures requesting assistance. At the time, it was easy to see all the erosion and danger. I had heard in City Planning meeting for the Annex, where I sent in concerns, one of board was asking if they should wear waders, no one inspected the creek. This is not a new issue, residents of Seaview Terrace have been victims of City storm water flooding for years and have complained to the City but to no avail.
There are many emails back and forth with Mr. Marshall and I am frustrated. I have recently asked Marina for assistance. Mr. Marshall appears to be unwilling to answer my storm water diversion questions that had to be approved by the planning board or his office. Mr. Marshall appears to have many communication with Mr. Richards who should be able to address my letter as well. Instead, I am being pressured to meet with Mr. Marshall and Mr. Richards to show them what they should have already inspected and probably have.
Yes We Can is your slogan, please have my 6/7/2011 letter addressed answered along with explanations for all the channels using culverts and dug out ditches diverting City storm water, are the natural path and therefore my problem and my loss. Mr. Marshall has stated previously that the council supports City unaccountability. If this is the case, and I do not receive any response to my letter by business close, tomorrow, Thursday, 6/30/2010, I will publicly protest and do all I can to stop my property from being swept away.
I apologize if this email seems harsh in its directness. This is an emergency situation and requires action not avoidance. I respectfully request your assitance, Mr. Mayor.
| From: | Wayne Marshall (planner@cityofbelfast.org) This sender is in your contact list. |
| Sent: | Wed 6/29/11 11:54 AM |
| To: | LAURIE ALLEN (laurieallen55@msn.com) |
| Cc: | Bob Richards (publicworks@cityofbelfast.org); Marina Delune (mpercival@midmaine.com) |
I am disappointed and somewhat confused that you appear to have rejected our invitation for City staff, the Public Works Director and myself, to meet with you and other residents of SeaView Terrace on-site so we can see first-hand what your concerns are regarding stormwater in the SeaView Terrace area. I continue to believe that the best way to examine an issue is for the parties to meet on-site and to discuss the concerns. I note that your June 7th email to me was entitled 'Resident Meeting Request', and in your letter you appeared to request that we meet with you and other residents. We are open to doing such. As such, I ask that you reconsider and that we schedule a site visit at a time that is convenient for you and other residents of SeaView Terrace.
Further, absent a site visit, neither the Public Works Director or I will be responding to the concerns raised in your email of 6/7/11 in writing.
With respect to the DEP, Chris Cabot has not responded to any of the 3 calls I have placed to him, nor has he responded to the 2 telephone calls that Tod Rosenberg, City Code Enforcement Officer has placed to him. Perhaps you may want to contact him directly to determine how he intends to respond to the concern you raised to him. As I have noted to you in past emails, I suggested a joint site visit with City and the DEP with you so everyone is looking at the same concern at the same time.
I also have sent a copy of this email to Councilor DeLune because she requested the opportunity to be present at the site visit if one is scheduled.
Wayne's response below. Off to the races with lie after lie. Natural stream-lie, City has not added to stream-lie, Flood Zone Map he showed me- lie(the map he showed me showed all paths coming into Seaview Terrace, mother nature-lie, the City does not do work on private property-lie
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